Now, I Must Choose.

"PatBateman" (PatBateman) 01/22/2014 at 18:14 • Filed to: Conundrum

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I learned just now that Cadillac is testing their S-Class fighter, possibly called the 2016 LTS (thanks for the pic, MooseKnuckles). My problem is simple: perhaps buy a car this year, or wait a couple of years and buy the LTS. HALP!!!

As many of you know, my current DD is a 2006 F150 Lariat 4x4. It's a nice truck. It hasn't really given me any problems, either, even though I've got about 102k on the odometer. My plan for this year WAS to trade in my behemoth, buy a mid-to-full-sized performance sedan and get my wife a slightly used Tahoe/Yukon. Why the large vehicles? Sedan for the three kids we have, SUV for the boat, hunting, and three kids we have.

But NOW Cadillac has screwed up my plans, the rat bastards. I'm actually a big Caddy fan. I like BMW, Audi, MB, Jaguar, etc etc etc. But GM's lux brand has held a special place in my heart over the past few years, mainly because of the CTS. Now, however, the LTS, due to the possible beauty and brawn that lays underneath that street camo, has my attention. And DAMN that would be nice to have if the package works out well.

My question to you, fellow opponauts, is should I buy a car this year (possibles are slightly used Jags, Audis, or new CTS-Vsport), or hold off for another 1.5 years to find out what the Big Daddy Caddy is all about? I try to hold onto cars for a long time (8+ years), so keep this in mind.

My body is ready for your answers.

HammerheadFistpunch > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:17

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simple; buy a car with insanely high resale and do both. Or lease.

Here's a start .

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ksmay71 > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:18

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I don't think you'll have to wait 1.5 years for the answer. I'd say more like 6 months before some kind of reliable spy shot is taken. And judging from Cadillac's recent concepts, it will be well worth that wait.

jariten1781 > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:19

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Waiting for a car is a trap. By the time the new one comes out there will be another even better one just a year or two away.

ihm96 > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:20

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I would wait because otherwise you could end up kicking yourself for 8+ years

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:20

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If this car is so far down the road and no solid information is available right now, why wait? You could always stick to your current plan now, and switch over to the big Caddy once it comes out in ~2 years?

PatBateman > HammerheadFistpunch 01/22/2014 at 18:21

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I've never leased a car before. I'm not against it, but I'd like to have a trade-in to offset some of the taxes due on the new ride, plus a little down payment assistance.

I could get a slightly used Jag XJ or a well-equipped Audi A6 in the mid-40's. I wonder if either of them would hold up for the next few years value-wise?

PatBateman > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 01/22/2014 at 18:22

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According to one outlet, it would probably be a 2016 model. That's speculation, of course, but that would only be about two years down the road.

More leaked info is needed.

HammerheadFistpunch > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:23

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That's a tough call, Jags have historically bad resale and the A^ will hold up only as long as they don't refresh it. A6 people are people who like to stay current in fashion trends typically. Go nuts and buy a wrangler or something. Why not? you're just biding your time anyway, and more cars on the resume never hurts.

PatBateman > ihm96 01/22/2014 at 18:24

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Maybe. Any car that I'd get, I'd make sure that I was happy with. But still, I'd love a big ass American S-Class/7 Series.

Dsscats > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:24

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Honestly, something German or Japanese. Maybe a used LS600?

EL_ULY > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:25

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Cadillac

Because Houston! :]

PatBateman > ksmay71 01/22/2014 at 18:25

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That's my thoughts on the LTS (or whatever the hell they're going to call it). GM stepped up to the plate with both the ATS and the CTS. Why would this car be any different?

AndersSim - V10'ING > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:26

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Well, I'm also in the "making" of buying a new car, so I would be glad if I could help. What is your budget?

PatBateman > HammerheadFistpunch 01/22/2014 at 18:27

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Wife wouldn't let me buy a Wrangler. Plus, I've only driven trucks my entire life. I want a car that will get me into a bit of trouble speed-wise (without the kids in the car, of course).

heliochrome85 > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:27

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email me. Nocturneaubergine@gmail.com

If you can make a BMW European delivery happen, I suspect you can get into something EXTREMELY nice for not a ton of money.

GhostZ > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:28

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Low mileage XJR. They hit rock bottom prices recently.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jaguar-XJR…

Sell the truck and get this and the Tahoe.

Drive it for 1 year, and just when the maintenance starts costing money, sell it off for the same you bought it for, or, at most, a $3000 loss, less than what major maintenance probably costs. Then go get your Cadillac. If you're wondering, these things were faster than the CTS-V at the time, and are still extremely comfortable and luxurious today (from personal experience, have a venture-capital big wig friend who recently bought one as a short term driving investment, knowing that they'll either go up or not lose value soon, they feel like a sports sedan should!)

If things go good for you, you can save the money and keep the XJR AND the Cadillac.

Textured Soy Protein > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:28

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The V-Sport CTS and XTS are both already $60k+ cars before you add any options. Presumably whatever this newer/bigger thing is will cost even more than that.

So, are you willing to buy what will probably be a $70k+ car?

desertdog5051 > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:28

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Stay the course. I am intrigued by that Cattletruck as well. But, I know there may be some problems initially and they always improve them anyway in the 2nd and 3rd years. You are in a relatively rust free zone so keep what ya got for now. IMO.

Chatham Harrison dba SPANFELLER DELENDUS EST > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:29

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Waiting is good if you know what you're getting. Do you know you'll want the LTS? Then wait and buy it. If you're going by a brand and a fuzzy spy shot, you're better off buying a car now, one that isn't going to surprise you (unexpected fires, suspension recalls, inexplicably unpleasant steering, etc.) That said, Caddys are the opposite of Mercedes. The S-Class is the E-Class's gauche, nouveau riche neighbor with the golden statues around the pool. With a Caddy, bigger is always better, so if you're not going to get the LTS, lease a Jag, appreciate it, and be patient. 2017 PatBateman will be thankful.

HammerheadFistpunch > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:29

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Fair enough. G8 GXP? If you can't get in trouble in that car...you can't get in trouble.

ihm96 > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:32

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I'm sure you'd be happy, but if it turns out awesome, which I hope and think it will, you would still have that little tiny regret in the back of your mind. I really hope it becomes a genuine halo luxury car for cadillac

Steve in Manhattan > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:34

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Jaaaaaag - the big one.

CAR_IS_MI > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:35

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Screw the Caddy.

Be my hero and buy a Ghibli. Then let me borrow it...

Probably way less than the Caddy would be too.

PatBateman > Dsscats 01/22/2014 at 18:36

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BMW/MB mid-sized rides are a little too expensive used after two years. I'd pay for one new at $55k, but not used.

I've thought about the LS, though.

Jayhawk Jake > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:38

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At least wait until you know what this actually is. Until then, buy a cheap miata

PatBateman > AndersSim - V10'ING 01/22/2014 at 18:38

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Depends on a couple of factors. If I have a big 1st and 2nd quarter, I could feasibly go up to $70k (CTS). If not, mid-40's.

PatBateman > GhostZ 01/22/2014 at 18:40

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I like.

I have been looking at the 2 year old Jags (current body style), but that is an option...

PatBateman > Textured Soy Protein 01/22/2014 at 18:42

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IF I have a good 6 months at work, the CTS-Vsport Premium is doable (MSRP of $69k).

If not, a used Jag or Audi in the mid-40's is more likely.

AndersSim - V10'ING > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:43

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Okay, sounds like you are a car salesman or a realtor(If thats what you call them) sorry, if I'm wrong :) So I just drooled, you can really get a lot of car for 70k... Lucky you! But may I present the English duke, and joker in the high executive class:

Jaguar XJ SUPERCHARGED GRRR

PatBateman > desertdog5051 01/22/2014 at 18:44

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As long as I have a factory warranty + extended warranty to 100k, I'm fine with the occasional first edition hiccups.

And yes, zero rust.

PatBateman > HammerheadFistpunch 01/22/2014 at 18:46

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Chevy SS with a warranty, perhaps?

PatBateman > Steve in Manhattan 01/22/2014 at 18:47

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Those are reasonably priced used as well.

PatBateman > CAR_IS_MI 01/22/2014 at 18:48

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My wife would shit bricks if I came home in a Maserati. LOL

PatBateman > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 18:49

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Just strap the kids to the hood?

HammerheadFistpunch > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:49

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Now you're on the trolly. Plus I think there is some kind of GM loyalty program or GM credit card or something that could help offset the taxes and fees of the caddy if you bought a SS with it and then paid it off.

PatBateman > AndersSim - V10'ING 01/22/2014 at 18:51

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Financial advisor, actually, with some very large deals in the works. IF they come through, then I could get a nice ride.

I have looked at the XJ supercharged Portfolios.

CAR_IS_MI > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:51

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Starts at $66,000.

About the same as a base line S class, and presumably about the same as what this Caddy S class fighter would run at too.

ihm96 > CAR_IS_MI 01/22/2014 at 18:52

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Haha I've tried to convince my grandma to replace her E-class with this

AndersSim - V10'ING > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 18:55

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They are sweet, really sweet. Much more elegant than its German counterparts. And as a former owner of a 740d I can tell you I were jealous that one time I stopped beside a XJ at a red-light.

Anyway, if you crack all those deals this year, I also recommend this. Mercedes GL450 4Matic I test drove one this former weekend, I love it, just a bit too big for Denmark.

Shift24 > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 19:14

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Wait for the drivetrain specs to come out then decide. I would be leery if its just the 3.6L V6 and the Turbo 3.6L. This is Cadillac and its flag ship so it better be at least a LS3 underneath if not the new LT1 (serious doubt on that one though) as an option NOT V-series. If GM wants to do Caddy right for the most part its always been big engine for a big car. In the 60s and 70s what was Cadillac using to power those boats? BIG BLOCKS 390, 425, 429, 472, 500 (thats 8.2L for you metric fans). Yeah by 76 they were choked but what wasnt. This will be GM's Flagship not just Cadillac's so that should equal V8. Not to rag on Acura but the RLX is Honda's flagship, while the 3.5L and electric motors makes 377 hp which is really good for Honda but falls short of the German Trio. So if Cadillac wants to aim higher it needs to "float like a butterfly and sting like a bee". Dont get me wrong the V-series is great and i love it but Luxury of that caliber doesnt need to be around the 'Ring. Lastly it would share the drivetrain of caddy's flagship now the XTS which is good looking but meh on power. Plus i already love the RR like stance.

Pessimippopotamus > CAR_IS_MI 01/22/2014 at 19:44

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Ghibli? What is a Maserati with a reportedly Chrysler-based V6 and no Pininfarina-designed sheetmetal?

CAR_IS_MI > Pessimippopotamus 01/22/2014 at 19:54

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Still a Maserati.

It does not have to be designed by Pininfarina to be a Maserati. and sure, the basic components may be of Chrysler origin, but it is a twin turbo V6, so it has had some upgrades done to the motor.

Dsscats > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 20:29

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2 quick questions: How much and how used? Also, I'd not go for the Caddy, just because it will always have that one panel of plastic or those few issues which will make it feel cheap.

For 55k, you can get ALOT round these parts! Some suggestions:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/428885…

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/429683… -coolest dad car ever!

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/425103…

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/428777…

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/426520… -V10 M5 with a lot left over for maintnence

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/429719… -New style 5

PatBateman > Shift24 01/22/2014 at 21:07

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My guesses: 8 speed transmission, base engine is a tuned 3.6TT w/ 460 HP (2014 S550 has 449 HP). There might be another non-V version with a V8, and then a monstrosity V8 for the V.

I would hope they wouldn't ruin the flagship with an anemic engine/drivetrain.

PatBateman > Dsscats 01/22/2014 at 21:10

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Here is a 2011 B7 Alpina that is at a dealership right down the road. Look through their inventory. The prices are pretty good.

http://4322.ecarlist.com/web/used/BMW-A…

Dsscats > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 21:25

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Damn, nice!

Dsscats > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 21:43

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Amazing idea: V10 S6. Found one for 43k. Who doesn't love 5.2 liters of Lamborghini based goodness for an every day car!

Textured Soy Protein > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 22:21

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Then I wouldn't worry about whatever the newer bigger Cadillac will be, since it sounds like the CTS V-Sport is already at the upper end of your budget and meets most of what you want in a car.

Dslay04 > PatBateman 01/22/2014 at 23:11

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Lease a Vsport until the LTS comes out

Jayhawk Jake > PatBateman 01/23/2014 at 00:45

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What are we, barbarians?! They would be much safer strapped to the trunk.

Deputy Kovacs > PatBateman 01/23/2014 at 02:34

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This.

Manuél Ferrari > PatBateman 01/24/2014 at 00:47

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I can't wait to see how it looks!

Especially the interior